and what is so great about the stuff,,i could pick u out in the pics with out a problem even in the black and whites,,but maybe its just me and a deer on hte ground looking at u 10 or 20 ft. would not be able to see u,,but for 160buck i think i'll stick with my plain old camos,,aint nothing wrong with them did not get detected with them on so why change,,i tell u the most expensive this i take hunting other than my gun is my camo coat i got a couple years back it have a removeable outer shell with blaze orange inside,,it was around 120 or 130bucks