Actually shooting loose powder, the #11 cap is more then enough to fire off the charge, and I get such good accuracy out of my Wolverine II that shoots #11 caps I just sometimes think that they are really a good way to go. I've had excellent luck with the #11 caps hunting. Also on the range they are cheaper to shoot then the 209 primers. Maybe I will have to look into getting one of them. I always have about 10 tins of the Dynamite Noble 1075 around the house...