ron..i stated in a previous posting that the weather patterns as we knew it growing up, will probably never return. prepare for warmer weather going forward. the rut will b bought on by the shorter days and the fact that there will b alot of BADUSSY. the does will come on and u know how we r when there is some trim "in the House". what i would suggest to all is this...take off the second week in november and sit all day....pack a lunch and such. u will score because, as u know, they will b cruising...at any time. if u cannot sit all day because of your physical conditioning...u have 3 weeks to get in shape...it will be worth it