eldeguello .. I understand the American Pioneer Powder makes Pinnacle and Shockey Gold but I do not think they are the same thing. American Pioneer Powder and Clean Shot were gray in color and Pinnacle is jet black. Granted, that could be a matter of dye but I think they might run into some consumer protection laws or copyright lawsif they were selling the exact same stuff under different names... Then again, maybe they are. I personally do not think so. I want to get some more Pinnacle and some APP and test them side by side. I would also want to get some Black Mag3 but I know that will never happen unless the place I get my next powder order from stocks BM3.