Maybe thats it Beav, I ain't a people person. If you ain't got it you ain't got it. Been there ,done it, not anymore, geting too old now to tolerate those snotty nose easterners who think that a Boone and Crockett is guaranteed as they want to be back at camp by 10 in the morning for what ever reason, its just too hard of work on part of a guide sometimes if you have most of your clients who are out of shape or can't acclimate to the altitude. Just my two cents.