Good! Im glad you've come to your senses. Now I'll agree that the Griff. has gotten better thru NAVHDA and there breeders BUT there not DD's. And a little known fact is that, MORE Griff's are marked as sharp on NAVHDA judges cards then Wirehairs. As to so called "pointing" Lab's I think there an abomination, but that's just the way I feel about that project.To answer the Question @ hand my GSP was the second from the last to get picked and he Prized 2 {197} and a prize 1{204} NAVHDA Utility @ 2yrs old. Puppy pickin is like a lottery, if you have good genetics one should be just as good as another.