ORIGINAL: jcchartboy
ORIGINAL: Tahquamenon
Plus, with smokeless powdersthat really opens up the door for extended lethal ranges far beyond black powder or BP substitutes capabilitieswhich from a safely perspective does not make sense to me.
Just a point in fact. The gun Retriever states he is using " the ultimate"wich is aBP substitute muzzleloader, advertises itself as capable of the following.....
the BP Xpress has fired 5 shot groups of one half inch at 100 yards and 3.75" at 500 yards.
I know of no smokeless muzzleloaders shooting projectiles at that distance. Following your logic that would make the BP substitutes the dangerous propellent and the smokeless propellants more desirable from a safety perspective.
So you can't agree to disagree. Yes, I shoot an Ultimate Firearms BP Xpress that has a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20 scope on it. I shoot 200 gr Pyrodex pellets and 300 gr Hornady SST bullets and have grouped myself under 1" at 100 and under 1 1/2" at 200 (the range I use is only 200 yards). EVERY TIME Ultimate Firearms is mentioned on ANY forum someone wants to start fight and this time it is you. Well, I like my gun, and itperforms EXACTLY as the factory described. To be honest, the way I hunt the Ultimate gun is overkill. I have a Knight Extreme that actually gives me all I needin a BPgun. Basically, I can do with my Ultimate gun and Pyrodex what you are doing with your Savage and smokeless.To each his own, shoot it and enjoy.