I have 4 shooters in the group I hunt with from year to year.The 300 with 165 do ok.The 180 where way better in my opinion.The 200 did not open up as good as the 180 so had little blood trail.Every one of them killed the elk.Just the 180 opend up the best and left tons of blood.All of us now shoot 180s just difrant brands :}

Just side note=The 130s did not kill the cow elk after being shot 3 times.It was dead and would not have went far but I would not shoot 130s.The cow was shot a 4th time with a 200 gr.