wow, been a while, with wrk and family havnt been able to get here as often as would like. been hunting since....(woe got to think..) around 12 on my own. went out with dad, uncles and grandfather for many years prior, plus shooting birds with ole bb gun. --so with out making brain hurt too much, at least 20 years at least. cant wait bear coming rgth up around corner, yeah!!!!!!!