This is in response to one of your previous posts and other comments:

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"The technique required to reproducibly shoot tight slug groupings is unlike that required to be a proficient with a rifle," stated Randy Fritz as he proceeded to drive his point home with a demonstration. Shooting Lightfield Commander 3" slugs through one of his custom Tar-Hunt slug guns Randy proceeded to coax five slugs in a row through the same hole at 50 yards. He then turned the bench over to a self-proclaimed 'good shot' who fired his best five shots but could only muster a 4 inch grouping at the same 50 yard target.

What was the difference? Both shooters were using the exact same gun, the exact same lot of Lightfield sabot slugs and were firing under the same conditions, but one was driving nails and the other couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. The difference was in their shooting technique. A person can purchase the most expensive state-of-the-art slug gun and fire the best saboted slugs money can buy, but if that person doesn't know and hasn't practiced proper slug gun shooting technique all the dollars invested will have been for naught."


I would say the difference is the second guy just can't shoot. He either is afriad of the recoil, had poor trigger control or doesn't line up to the scope consistantly each time. My guess would be if you handed him a 270 or 30-06 you would get the same outcome. 50 yards off a bench is a pretty simple shot with most any gun that shoots well. When someone brags about great groups off a bench at 50 yards I'm not that impressed, especially if the intended range is twice that.

I had no trouble with this gun and that load at 50 yards. It shot very well. However when I moved back to 100 yards it was a different ball game. It shot high and the groups were not up to my standards. Actually for some slug guns and hunters they would have been ok with it. If my shooting form is so bad and I am so ignorant of what I am doing why did a simple change in ammo magically make the problem go away? Even with ammo that is slower than the lightfields are. Or why don't I have the same problems shooting a traditional muzzle loader with even slower bullets yet?

Here is another one.
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"Let's say you have zeroed your gun in this manner at 100 yards, adjusting into your scope setting this muzzle jump as well as windage error. While in the field you shoot at a deer at 100 yards while holding onto the forend of your gun's stock. Your shot hits low or, most likely, misses completely. Most would tend to blame the gun or the ammunition, when in reality methodology is the real culprit. Think about it! Learn to properly set up your equipment and you can be confident in your shot when the time comes."

I completely agree with that last statement. But to me that means shooting your gun the way it is intended to be shot. If you are dumb enough to sight in off a bench rest and never shoot your weapon off hand or the way you intend to hunt with it you deserve to suck and miss. However the game does not deserve that. You should ALWAYS practice the way you hunt and verify that they weapon and load will perform well enough to achieve your goals. Other wise you are just setting yourself up for failure.

I would say most blame thier equipment because they are too macho to admit they missed or they suck shooting off hand because they never practice it and didn't take the time to find something to steady the rifle on. If you hunt doing drives and shoot off hand at moving targets don't you think you should try it a few times (or a lot more) before you test it on live game? It never fails to amaze me at how often I hear of people that pull thier gun or bow out a few days before season and then complain they wounded or missed an animal. Hmmm, did you ever think of practicing in the off season? Most of my friends say they wish they could shoot a bow as well as I do or be as consistant with a rifle. (and I don't consider myself to be that good) I say, well if you shot every day like I do you probably would be.


"Dispite that fact I felt it was still possible that reasoning and reality would prevail."

Unfortunately you have not presented anything I consider reality yet. I don't have any of the problems you state I should have, even though in your opinion I am doing it wrong.

""Slugs are so slow that they're still traveling down the barrel as the gun recoils upward and to the left," he explains, due to the torque of the heavy projectile as it spins out of the barrel's rifling. "If you sight the gun in at the bench without holding the fore-end, you'll actually sight it in 5 to 6 inches high and to the left of where it will shoot when you hold the fore-end normally in the field."

That right there is a bunch of crap in my opinion, especially with the barrel that is on my gun. For one the bullet does not have enough resistance to the barrel to make it torque. If that were the case the sabots would be torn up badly after leaving the barrel, which they are not. And that bullet is gone before recoil affects it's flight, it might not be as fast, but it's still faster than sound or the time it takes for the gun to react. Muzzle flip is actually caused by the bullet leaving the barrel. That is why a compensator will help muzzle flip. It vents the escaping gas upwards keeping the barrel level. If this was not the case then it would have no effect because the barrel would already be up. This is from barrel harmonics or "barrel whip" And finding the right load to match the harmonics of the barrel will solve it. That is why one type of ammo will group better than another.

Paul