Let me see someone who consistently kills big deer in Idaho (not a mecca for huge bucks),I have seen the pictures.Someone who is bright and is educated in the sciences and who eats,sleeps and breathes whitetail deer,as much a student of whitetail deer from a hunting perspective as any one I am familiar with.I have said it before when Troy talks(aka shed33) those interested in being more successful on the taking of mature bucks would be wise to listen!!