Well both of them, NIB, are in the gun safe as we speak. Seems that he bought them new when he opened his store, lots of years ago and has never had anyone want to buy them or look at them. Where his store is, it is the $200 guns that move and not the high dollar ones. Need to break out the reloading gear for it. I have the same 30/378 caliber in a Weatherby and think I will try to build one load that will suit all of them. Probably going to stick around 180 grain bullets in Nosler partitions or Barnes. Open to suggestions to what others have found satisfactory. This of course is just a place to start.