JN- No offense to CA but where I am am from...going out west to hunt does not include California. I guess that doesn't make since but I am talking about in general the huge ranches that rios, and merriams get hunted on. Those are the hunts like Mr. Longbeard is refferring to where there are10 birds gobbling on camera and you take your pick. Easy compared to public land easterns or not...it's still hunting. Your a hunter, I'm a hunter. Mr. Longbeard is a hunter. Like I said, I don't want to argue with hunters, don't like it, we got to stick together but cmon you know I wasn't talking about California...the most populated state in the country. My only point is this PERIOD...Hunting is hunting...no matter how easy or hard, no matter me , or you. The only reason I even mentioned public land is because in 99% of Mr Longbeard's posts he feels the need to remind us that no one hunts and kills harder-to-hunt birds than him. That stupid thing he has at the bottom of all his posts "Public land will make a turkey hunter out of ya." gets old too. The first gobble you hear will make a turkey hunter out of ya no matter where its at.