i can't believe how fast people forget. we have alway had tons of 8-10's- 12's andand sometimes the14's and bigger. now we have less bucks to hunt with pretty much the same amount of hunters. someone has to explainhow this canbe a success story. and if you don't think that H/R hurt your buck population. someone better explain to you about the birds and the bees. without the does to reproduce where do you think the next generation of bucks are coming from.