I am just feeling good about my groups and wanted to brag. I put 18 of 19 in the kill ring between 40 and 50 yards. I even nocked off one nock and almost robin hooded. I think tonight I will move out to 60 yards to see what happens. Right now I will not shoot at anything over 40 yards, but you never know what may be at 50 yards. I practice further than I will actually shoot. That way it is an easy shot at the closer range.