thanx alot guys....im going to pick up some supplies i need today if i can make it...or tomarow...and hopefully do some shooting today or tomarow...dont know if ill get a chance to do either...just had another ingrown toenail fixed....and i cant put weight down on it..its really sore on the bottom..the dr must have gave me a novakaine shot down there and its sore...but im tryin to get it to feel better...got my gun back together...possibles bag all back in order...and i list of minor stuff i need.....cant wait..thanx alot....ill let you know how it all pans out.....maybe a .51 inch group with pics for you guys lol....ive punched some clover leaf groups with roundballs in my gun...thats why im sticking with them till i harvest a deer with one..then i will stick with them or go with a big nasty bullet....thanx alot....sounds like they work great...