thanx alot cayugad....i knew youd be the first to reply...and with the info i was looking for.....as you can tell my moosemilk and patch making turned out good(i think...looks like itll all work..) i put a ball down with no powder to see how cutting patches work...pretty slick....worked nice...i think im going to add a touch more oil to the mix though...i just like it a little slicker...i got the ball out fine though...ill buy a pound of powder here this weekend and hopefully make it out to shoot some...maybe another groundhogs in order...i like shooting roundballs...and seems like cutting patches will be my style too...just like doing it the old fashioned way....soak the strip in my mouth for my reload with it hanging out while stuffing a ball down there....you know them old pics of the mountain men...thanx alot...ill let you know how it goes.....i definently dont take shots i dont know i can make....and if i dont think my gun will make it i wont shot....im going to have to set targets up clear to 100yds and see the trajectory for myself....but around here 75yds is a long shot...so ill sight in for 50...and know where it hits at 25, 75, and 100 just incase......thanx alot