Thanks for each you taking time to get me this info. Right now my Dad is hand loading some Speers in 105 gr. in Remmy brass.I really Like Nosler partitions, that iswhatI shoot (hand loaded 165s)in my SIG.30-06, but they are not exactly cheap. As well I think that I will try some of Remmy's factory Core-Lokt. Sounds like they do well. As with any bullet, and I believe each of you stated and know this as well, shot placement is the key. Keep the info coming, I like to learn all I can on a subject I am new to. Thanks and take your kids hunting with you, Scott in Dallas.