Your wasting your breath James, youve beaten EKM upside the head with the facts and he still cant comprehend them. Seems to think the only way you can kill and elk with a .270 class cartridge is if the thing is standing broadside at 20 yards and you shoot it right thru the lungs. After all the premimum bullets nowadays certainly wont penetrate anything more than a rib. Hitting them in the shoulder is absolutly out the question. Darn bullets will just bounce right off, leaving a brusied and slightly confused elk. EKM, Im starting to believe that you dont know jack about bullet construction. There isnt an elk on the planet that if shot in the vitals with a properly loaded 270 will travel very far period end of story. As for the Johnny Greenhorn attitude, whats makes you think a guy that is a stereotypical Greenhorn will shoot his brand new ultra mag better than deer rifle he's been using for the last 20 years? if he's such a greenhorn than he is obviously not going to take the time to learn the trigger pull and get comfortable shooting his new blunder buss. Whats the old saying? oh yeah, you show me a man with one rifle and Ill show you a guy who knows how to shoot it.

P.S. James you can hunt with me anytime, you bring your .270 and Ill bring my 7mm08 and we'll be having backstraps for dinner.