I have been Johnny Greenhorn but mine have dropped in their tracks or within 25 yards or so. I have never killed anything on the internet so far. I don't know what your Redneck mockery is about but on this end its gettinga bitstale old fellow. If a Johnny Greenhorn can't place his shot then poor Johnny will go home empty handed and disappointed with his 338-378 as well. No matter how much you shake it out, a good vitals hit is what kills, not the difference between the ME of common elk rifles. So my last word remains that a good bullet from a 270 placed in a good spot will mean packing out an elk. I have helped pack out quite a few besides my own. Hope you and yours have a real good season regardless of what weapon you use.