I didn't read every word of this thread . . . but my observation is that the fall season is at least one month late if not a little more. It has only been in the last two or three weeks, here in the Pacific Northwest, that the tree colors have finally started to change and quickly at that. I have heard that the elk are really active now. All I can do is wait for our late archery elk season opening November 20 . . . and hope that conditions and the anmimals are in a more normal pattern.

Bowhunter