i loaded up some 165 gr hpbts on 3006 for myslef...my friend took a doe with them....not a big wound channel...but another hpbt i shoot a doe with didnt have them but the deer flipped in the air sideways and never moved....and i couldnt find the entrance and the exit was a finger sized hole...but the insides were devestated....i plan to use them this year....my shots are under 50 yds usually also....im sure i will post on how they did here or on the deer board if i get to take a shot...october 26th look for a post i hope! i will be out in search of a doe during a youth season...i gota sight them in yet and make sure my mauser likes em....the mauser seems to like anything i put in it though...