I can't stand kissers but needed the point of reference anyway. In addition the kisser causes a comensurate reduction in speed. What I did was to serve a knot in place of the kisser and it only cost me 11/2 fps which beats the 5 + for the kisser.

And the knot works great.

As for the No Peep it takes a bit of getting used to but it is more than worth the patience to work with and learn and both eyes in low light conditions is a more than generous reward for the effort.

hoyt3: be patient and set it up according to the directions (I took my peep out before I finished setting the No Peep up and I think it was very wise . . . I never had the peep to rely on as a back up. Some leave the peep in but I believe that defeats the purpose and gives one a crutch.