I absolutely agree BT!I do think warning one another about the good with the bad is a help to us all.But lets keep in mind because it does'nt work for you does'nt mean it is'nt working for someone else.I've been hooked by the gimmicks and crap thats out there also,but you never know when one of em may actually work.I remember when gobble tubes first came out.My first thought was what a joke.But now I never leave home without my Red Wolfe,its accounted for a few gobblers itself over the years.So lets be a little open minded when it comes to new products.This is not to say there is'nt some junk out there, because yes I know there is! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>