By commercially available I mean a load published in a manual by a reputable manufacturer and not some internet wildcatter with no regard to pressure limits. I notice that when the numbers dont add up to your preconceived notions you accuse the manufacturer of misrepresenting their product. Your last point regarding "commercially available" is petty and does in no way compromise my original statement. By the way what was the BC on that great 175 Grain Norma Load the was supposed to be better than any 06 load. I cannot help but notice you never did get back to me with that!!!!!!!