in addition to 3 bands i have mentioned in the 2nd post to this thread, i have in my possesion several more bands that i acquired through an internet online auctioning website. it's more commonly known as ebay. the bands have some engraving on them, and i take much satisfaction in placing them on waterfowl retrieved by my canine that is shot by other members of my group. the bands that i am referring to say "sucker".