I just spoke to the D.N.R. yesterday and as of the end of last week there were 12,395 applications. I was a little confused, does the outfitters permits come out of the 20,000 or are their's separate? Also we are planning on either a trip to Illinois to hunt some private land or a trip to Wisconsin to hunt public land. A few of my buddies have been to Wisconsin but none of us have ever seen this land in Illinois so we would be going there blind. If anyone has an opinion please reply.