I have never, i mean NEVER agreed on the "4x4" management rule. why? because you see many...MANY young 1 1/2 year old deer with 4 points on each side, so it would make it legal to shoot a young deer, but they are trying to get bigger, more mature deer? If the states had any sence at all, they would switch it to either and antler size limit or an age limit. This 4x4 rule is just plain idiotic, and I laugh at every state that uses it. There are many older deer that have less then 4 points on one side as well. this year I shot a management buck that had 3 points on each side. U have to use logic while practicing QDM. Do what the outfitters do, look at the results for god sakes. 90% of the outfitters use an antler size limit. 4x4 is just stupid, you cannot manage the herd with this lame excuse that they use. Use age and/or a size limit...ie 125inch minimum. The states are ruining the management plan for mature bucks who are under 8 points, because U arent allowed to shoot them, which means they breed, which means that they spread their bad genetics. Cmon DNR, use some common sense.