I agree with Rile1564. The Summit Viper is one of the best stands around IMHO. I love the fact that you can adjust it while in mid climb(not recommended unless you are completely strapped in and comfortable with what you are doing). My old Loggy couldnt do that. I like the Viper so much I got one for a relative for his birthday. ANy treestand that is as stable as the Viper gets the nod in my book. Only one more stand I feel as comfortable in and thats a lock on, but ill save that for another thread.