Mike from Texas you could very well be right, I think i'm just used to the vortex's mini max 3's that I shot years past. All in all I think i 'm searching for the perfect broadhead that probably dosen't exsist. Honestly if I had the choice after thinking about it if i had the buck of a lifetime come by I would't trust anything but a Muzzy. I've seen them perform first hand. Maybe it was just a bad year for shot placement, I know I killed my share but I'm the type of person who constatly looks for ways to improve his game. I guess I'm just trying to split atoms on the topic.