Really? I suspect that these are great hunting rifles for the dude that only runs 200-300 rounds per year and doesnt compete or isnt worried about a pizzin contest. I did get to see one being shot and it was doing great! The dude said that 1-2 inch groups are the norm. As well, the demographic of a fella using one of these isnt one that would spend much time on sites like this one. I am contemplating getting one in 7mm mag as an elk rifle, ONLY! Leave the other rifles for the contests. EJ