John nail, I used them on my hunt here in California, Practice for a couple months, then took a nice 3X2 Mulie at 45 yards with my 52# vision and Cedar shafts. The arrow stopped at the far shoulder, taking both lungs and an artery off the heart. I will continue to use them on my Cedar arrows. The broadheads were 125 grains.

Edited by - Richard McCullough on 09/22/2002 19:31:53