I really like ithaca shotguns darn shame, they kinda did it to themselves though, they could have done better if they would have had more competitive prices. I dont know tomany folks that would go into a gun store looking for a pump shotgun that would choose a 450 dollar ithaca over a 270 dollar remington 870. If they would have offered their shotguns with more options then maybe they could have competed against the shotguns in the browning BPS category but for what ithacas were it was like asking 450 bucks for plain jane 870. owell hopefully some investors with better marketing skills and deeper pockets buy the ithaca plant and turn the ithaca name back into what it once was.