i'm at the point where trying to tune is useless. i backed my patriot down to 60 pounds, put on some wild looking 3 color strings (i admit it - making so many strings for target shooters has got me liking fancy colors) and bought a tru-ball ultra 3 pure back tension release. i was at a weekend seminar with larry wise and 7 other students and am now dedicated to learning back tension. we never shot an arrow past 5 yards all weekend. i can shoot about 15 arrows great, and that's it, i start fighting it. i start blank baleing, then shoot a few 20 yarders and a few 40 yarders, and then some closed eye blank baleing, and by then i can't feel those muscles that i'm supposed to be tightening, and i'm tightening the ones i'm supposed to be relaxing... but the bt is going better than before i had instruction - i'll say that much - so i kind of envy your tuning issues, and your sweeeeet success. and big ups for the way your doing in your shoots. that's awesome!