My elk huntin' pard used one built on a Mauser 98 action. You could actually outspeed the .270 if you used a 26" barrel, but not by enough to make any practical difference. Those carbines that Remington wanted us to use could barely exceed 3000 fps with the 120 grain bullet, and were louder than the Model 94 Swedes. I saw Vinny roll a cow with the 129 Hornady round nose, so fast she must have been dead before she ran into the tree.