This thread bothers me. I too, have called Precision Bullets and I got a kick out of the fellow I talked to on the phone. Yup, he had an opinion and let me have it. Fact is, he knows more about his bullets than I even want to know. He gave me a better idea and it worked really well on the whitetail I knocked clean off it's feet last fall. Shoot, I called for a little help, otherwise I could have ordered from Cabelas online. I doubt Mr. Precision cares what you think about him, but I think he makes a mighty fine bullet. Jim