AMEN Elk ..tell it like it is Bro .... I agree with you 100% ... When you hunt out of the country like Canada for instance you HAVE to employee a outfitter and you have no choice ...as for MooseHorn ( let me know where YOU guide so I can avoid that place ) I would just say that I see very little difference in the skill it takes for a hunter that has paid to hunt and a guide who puts out corn and pees to draw a deer into a stand so the "Lazy" worthless paying hunter can get a shot and YOU can get YOUR big TIP !

DD