i hunt are place in vermont hard everyday of the season in 2000 acers i have seen 2 deer the past 4 years (all of wich were 2 1/2 year old bucks or better but were never brought down becuase when i tell sum1 to use the iorn sites and he puts in a big ol scope for thick cover and cant tell the deer from the brush) never seen a doe so i dunno all deer were 200lbs or better and 8pnts or better