Sorry, I submitted too soon. On that last note about the raging lion debate...I simply disagree, I hold no hard feelings towards those who dont share my opinion on the cats. I guess its simply a matter of agreeing to disagree. I saw a bobcat in Cohocton NY a few years back. We could go on forever as to why medium sized cats dont do well here either, in spite of all the deer. Nah, nevermind!