It's funny how two people can use the same bullets and get such different results. I absolutely love barnes bullets. My groups are consistently half of what they are with any other bullet with my .300 Sav and my .338 win mag. I just started loading for my .243 WSSM and it seems to love the 85 grain trip-shocks. the first group I fired with them with the recipe out of the June issue of Shooter's time was less than half an inch at 100 yds. And...you can't beat Barnes performance as a hunting bullet. One shot kills are the rule not the exception and I have been shocked at how little meat loss there is when you get one up in the shoulder. I know there are plenty of Barnes ditractors but I've tried many different bullets and I'm a die-hard copper head.