if you hunt long enough ...your gonna miss bottom line ive got 2 birds 1st one i knocked clean lik 40 smthing yrds this was about fifty and i missed then im was like $#!% click click boom about 60 yds got him only a jake tho[:@] ithought it was a long beard but i think my problem is thinking of already killing the bird and haveing every one at camp say good job tim ..like killing the bird with out shooting ytet