I am going to stay with Summit stands for the rest of my life. Someone posted a thread on the forum that asked if the bar on the Summit Viper got in the way of shooting a deer with a bow. I said something like, "No, as a matter of fact the bar actually helps me. I would not feel very safe 20' up in a tree without some kind of extra support. But then again, the Viper is rock solid." I got an email from Summit that asked for my address. They said they would send me a free hat, a free hunting video, and a Summit Stands magazine. I gave them the information and I received my gift. They sent me that email once before, but I thought it was fake and I deleted it. Summit did a good job and just earned a lifetime customer.