with a bow, mainly becasue of my own abilities, and the thrill of getting them in close, I dont shoot further than 25 yards, even with a shotgun, and I DONT MISS with a shot gun, I wont pull the trigger at further than 35 yards. I consistantly hit 24 out of 25 trap shooting, so I consider myself a pretty good shot with a 12gauge. But again, half the fun is getting them in as close as you can. None-the-less, GREAT SHOT!!