Well, Oldelk in his defence if all he uses i mostly weaver then I see his point. I myself refuse to ever have weaver brands on my guns again. I have a set on a 30-30 right now, and just jerked off a set of see thrus on a 270.

He can't really lap a weaver and with the wide piece of metal, he probably doesn't get slips. But boy, if that ain't the ugliest tackiest thing you could put on a nice rifle. Not smooth, horrible bluing, rarely matches your gun or scope.

But its ok, James has a different mindset than I do and there's nothing wrong with that. I like to look at my rifles and have them perform as well as they look. Kinda like my ladies I crack myself up.