ok guys i guess the trouble im having is i watch a friend shoot at a buck only to have a doe move in his way, he nailed the doe right square in the hips. he was shooting a golden eagle iron eagle set in at 70# full length goldtip hunter arrows. the most amazing thing about this was he got a complete pass thru on both hips droping the doe and missing the buck. i am wondering way he got a pass thru on two hips and i couldnt on a shoulder shot? Just curious on this. and thatnks for all your posts, guys