I really don't know. We have never seen this guy since - he was sort of dissappointed, but also agreed that the elk would have been lost if Chad hadn't been in the right place at the right time. The bullet has a significant boat-tail on it - could possible be a Sierra. It's just a hollow shell of a jacket with some elk hair and blood stuffed in where the lead should be. No possibility the lead could have ever been in there, though. I'm not real swift with electronic gadgets - let me see if I can get my wife or daughter to take a digital photo of the bullet and I will post it.