I am interested on how "Fewer classes would put more competitors out there now and in the future and would build archers not would be archers." would actually work to achieve increased numbers. Whether kids are there becasue they want to be or because the parents are there so they have to be is inmaterial if these kids are getting their clocked cleaned week in and week out due to equipment difference. How do you build interest if they are on the lossing end of the stick every week. Remember there needs to be some sort of reward system to help build these kids into wanting to do this. We as adults make the concious choise to participate knowing full well that in most cases there is better shooters out there, but we do it for many more reasons than winning. Yes in most cases the kids are coming along for the ride with their parents, yes only a few find the drive and passion for this shooting sport and others are as you say "would be shooters" but why drive the would bes away... they may just be the late bloomers or the one that pick up the bow again after a few years only to excel. Now I am not here promoting awards for all kids, but I am trying to make a point as with the starter of this thread that perhaps a split for the oldest youth group to give them a chance to grow into a different disapline other than a moveable site only to compeate. Yes they could choise to compeate with a fixed pinsite prior, but in most cases... not all,they would be sliding down the pecking order. For you open shooter that gaufaw this... try putting you moveable site away for a year. I am sure in most cases you will see a slide in your scores till you figure out the new game. Not alot is being asked here from "me". I can't see making new classes thru out the age spectrum, but the last transition before they have to shoot adults.