ORIGINAL: zrexpilot
ORIGINAL: HighDesertWolf
yep the 30-30 has the lead ( mass ) to back up the lack of velocity next to the 243. " You can't replace mass ( bullet Mass ) with velocity" Col. Jeff Cooper I guarentee Col Jeff Cooper would choose a 30-30 over a 243 for either application wether it be black bear or deer.
Kinda of funny that you quote this statement, seeing as how you brag of your 17hmr's killimg power. So which is it that you belive ? velocity or bullet mass ?
I for one, firmly believe you can more than overcome mass with sheer velocity. Of all people you should know that, just look at your 17 hmr. Velocity baby ! It does wonders.
Back to the question, I prefer the .243, it can do everything better than the .30-30, including kill.
I never bragged about my 17 HMR's killing power......, I simply said I use it for coyotes and I feel its enough gun for western coyotes............ I believe in both aspects of velocity versus mass, but for certain game animals like deer and black bear I prefer mass, because mass ensures good penetration and controlled expansion. Why do you suppose I use CCI's 20 grain hollow points in my 17 HMR instead of the 17 grain v-max, because the 20 grain bullet is sturdier in design and ensures good penetration. If i had to choose one way or the other I think i would lean more towards mass than velocity, because High velocity low mass bullets tend to be less stable and are usually quite explosive on impact and usually dont provide the best penetration. does this help you understand better about my ideas on bullet and or cartridge choices.