Im not saying that a 17hmr is good for anything bigger than a rabbit, although Ive taken plenty of fox and bobcats with it. But you cant say that a 17 is just as powerful or less powerful than a 22 long. Sure out past 200 yards they're about the same, but I wouldnt be making a shot on a fox or anything bigger out past 159 yds. It just realy makes my hot when people ramble on about a round they dont know anything about and have never shot.