gopherslayer and coyotegod you guys type pretty good but you sure can't read. you are so set on calling me wrong that the post i put in are not sinking in. slow down and read it again i never said anything about a the .22 downwind.................................. these are periods and they are right behind the word LONG in my post. i am talking about the .17 downwind. the amount of energy and how quick it loses it. the numbers also are not off a web site the are from a book and the book is from HORNADY. THEY ARE THE LAB DATA SHEETS. maybe you two should call HORNADY and tell them that they do not know what they are talking about. i didn't write these numbers i am just passing them on.